Natural immunity vs vax immunity

Some old stories I read, reposting them now, enjoy.

(1) Vaccinating people who have had covid-19: why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
BMJ 2021; 374 doi: (Published 13 September 2021)

The goal of vaccination is to generate memory cells that can recognize SARS-CoV-2 and rapidly generate neutralizing antibodies that either prevent or mitigate both infection and transmission. Those who have survived COVID-19 must almost by definition have mounted an effective immune response; it is not surprising that the evolving literature shows that prior infection decreases vulnerability. In our view, the data suggest that people confirmed to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 may not need vaccination. We should not be debating the implications of prior infection; we should be debating how to confirm prior infection.

-- Manish Joshi, MD;  Thaddeus Bartter, MD;  Anita Joshi, BDS, MPH

(2) Sen. Johnson: Health Agencies Are ‘Ignoring Natural Immunity’
By Zachary Stieber September 22, 2021


“We’re ignoring natural immunity, even though the Israeli study now shows it’s 27 times more effective,” Johnson said.

That makes sense, because natural immunity “recognizes the entire virus” while the vaccine was designed to prevent infection from the original form of the virus, he said.

(3) Questions to ask employers who mandate COVID vaccine
How do you explain the spike in deaths in almost-fully-vaccinated Israel?
By WND Staff   September 14, 2021 at 7:16pm

(4) Fully vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times viral load, pose threat to unvaccinated patients, co-workers
Thu Aug 26, 2021 - 11:00 am EDT

While moderating the symptoms of infection, the jab allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into presymptomatic superspreaders.

(5) The vaccinated superspread hypothesis assessing the riddle of more recovered, more vaccinated, and more dying despite a lower CFR variant
el gato malo  Sep 17 2021

(6) SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination-Associated Myocarditis in Children Ages 12-17: A Stratified National Database Analysis

Tracy Beth Høeg,  Allison Krug, Josh Stevenson,  John Mandrola
Posted September 08, 2021

For boys 12-15 without medical comorbidities receiving their second mRNA vaccination dose, the rate of CAE (cardiac adverse event) is 3.7 to 6.1 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk

For boys 16-17 without medical comorbidities, the rate of CAE is currently 2.1 to 3.5 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk, and 1.5 to 2.5 times higher at times of high weekly COVID-19 hospitalization.

(7)  Sinovac’s vaccine may cost more but makes up for easier storage, says distributor
By: Gabriel Pabico Lalu / 04:17 PM August 25, 2021

The local sponsor of Sinovac Biotech’s vaccines against COVID-19 said that there is some give-and-take despite the high prices of their vials, as these can be offset by easier storage and delivery requirements.

(8) Higher vaccination rates translate to higher covid cases as LEAKY, non-sterilizing vaccines worsen the plandemic
by: Lance D Johnson   Tuesday, September 21, 2021

Covid-19 case rates are increasing alongside vaccination rates, as artificial immunity wanes. The mRNA technology being deployed as “vaccination” is turning human cells into synthetic spike protein factories, forcing inflammatory auto-intoxication of the human body. These “vaccines” are a non- sterilizing intervention; the science puts selective pressure on the spike protein and drives new mutations in circulating coronaviruses. These leaky vaccines create vaccinated super spreaders, whose bodies are programmed to mass produce spike proteins that shed to others and harm the most vulnerable in a population.

(9) The Snake-Oil Salesmen and the COVID-Zero Con: A Classic Bait-And-Switch for a Lifetime of Booster Shots (Immunity as a Service)
September 2, 2021

Freedom of speech, individual rights, private property, individual ownership, competition, good faith debate, small government, minimal taxes, limited regulation, and free markets (the opposite of the crony capitalism we now suffer under), these are the checks and balances that bullet-proof a society against the soulless charlatans that fail upwards into positions of power in bloated government institutions and against the parasitic fraudsters that seek to attach themselves to the government's teat. 

Yes, we need a Great Reset. Just not the subscription-based version that the World Economic Forum imagined.

(10) Robust innate responses to SARS-CoV-2 in children resolve faster than in adults without compromising adaptive immunity

Maria Vono  Angela Huttner  Sylvain Lemeille. Geraldine Blanchard-Rohner
Claire-Anne Siegrist  Arnaud M. Didierlaurent...
Published:September 14, 2021DOI:

• Innate response against SARS-CoV-2 is robust in children despite limited symptoms

• Resolution of inflammation and onset of B cell response occur faster in children

• Antibody response is not compromised by the shorter antiviral inflammatory responseall we need to do is compare all-cause mortality rates in different age categories of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated over a period of several months

(11) Paradoxes in the reporting of Covid19 vaccine effectiveness
Why current studies (for or against vaccination) cannot be trusted and what we can do about it
Norman Fenton, Martin Neil and Scott McLachlan
Risk Information and Management Research
School of Electronic Engineering and Computer Science,
Queen Mary University of London
15 Sept 2021

We could immediately evaluate the effectiveness to date of vaccines...
by simply looking at the registered deaths since the start of the vaccination programme ...

All we need to know for each registered death is the person’s age and whether they received at least one dose of the vaccine before death.

(12) Leaked Zoom Video Exposes Hospital Officials Discussing COVID-19 Scare Tactics

(13) Scientific Analyses and Papers on Lockdown Effectiveness

Here collated are the papers of shame – the lockdown ideology is destroying our societal health, selling the lie of saving lives. Lockdowns cost net suffering and lives – by a huge margin. Here we gather together the evidence.

by PANDA  SEPTEMBER 2021. First published by BizNews

Taken in the round, the elephants in the room expose the absurdity of mandatory vaccination schemes and of coercive measures to vaccinate. A large percentage of our population has a more robust immunity than the vaccine can offer and already pose less of a risk to society than vaccinated people will pose. We cannot rid the world of COVID given the animal reservoir and the practical impossibility of vaccinating everyone. The vaccines cannot stop COVID since they do not stop infection or transmission and we see in other countries that the virus continues to circulate in vaccinated populations at pre-vaccination levels. 

(15)  Lawyers & Scientists Are Building A Case For Why Natural Immunity Should Be Treated Same As Vaccination

(16) Shedding of Infectious SARS-CoV-2 Despite Vaccination
Kasen K. Riemersma, Brittany E. Grogan, Amanda Kita-Yarbro, Peter J. Halfmann, Hannah E. Segaloff, Anna Kocharian, Kelsey R. Florek, Ryan Westergaard, Allen Bateman, Gunnar E. Jeppson, Yoshihiro Kawaoka,  View ORCID ProfileDavid H. O’Connor,  View ORCID ProfileThomas C. Friedrich, Katarina M. Grande
Posted August 24, 2021

Combined with other studies, these data indicate that vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals infected with the Delta variant might transmit infection. Importantly, we show that infectious SARS-CoV-2 is frequently found even in vaccinated persons when specimen Ct values are low.

(17) The keys to unlock the golden gate of herd immunity towards Sars-CoV-2
October 1, 2021

Stop mass vaccination (including boosters) as it puts more gas on the detrimental evolutionary dynamics of the virus (see increase in infection rates in countries/ regions with high vaccine coverage rates)

Under no circumstances should young and healthy people be vaccinated as it will only erode their protective innate immunity towards Coronaviruses (CoV) and other respiratory viruses. Their innate immunity normally/ naturally largely protects them and provides a kind of herd immunity in that it dilutes infectious CoV pressure at the level of the population, whereas mass vaccination turns them into shedders of more infectious variants.

(18)  So much for vaccine-generated herd immunity
Alex Berenson  Oct 4 2021

In an Israeli hospital outbreak, 96% vaccination rates (and universal masking) made no difference. And guess who had mild cases? Hint: not the vaccinated.


Is it fair to say vaccinations prevent COVID-19 deaths if there is a higher ratio of patients who died of COVID than those that are unvaccinated? This is problematic because choosing who will be vaccinated and not vaccinated is NOT a random selection. There factors that make one group healthier than the other. Factors that make a person decide NOT to be vaccinated will include 1) older age, 2) a vulnerable health status like having multiple comorbidities, and 3) factors that risk adverse events like a history of allergy or immunocompromised state. There is also that unfortunate and unintended way in which vaccination naturally excludes those that would die of COVID by triggering or causing death itself. These deaths though they are vaccinated are selected out of the vaccinated group and NOT counted as COVID-19 deaths but often deaths from other causes. 

- Dr. Iggy Agbayani
Sept. 28, 2021


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